“We Kill Them So They Don’t Die”

26 Mar

Photo from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

I normally try to not shed light on misinformed or misleading letters to the editor of local newspapers. That being said I recently came across a letter to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel where the writer argued that Wisconsin’s upcoming wolf slaughter is “humane” and that they must be killed so that they do not die from disease. What? That argument makes me think of this clip from South Park:

This is not the first time that I have heard this argument. Deer hunters have been arguing for years that hunters are needed because deer are overpopulated and would starve to death if they were not killed. Then out of the other side of their mouth they say that the wolves are killing all of the deer, so now wolves need to be killed. Which is it? Wolves are the best defense against chronic wasting disease and other ailments that affect the deer herds. They should be embraced by the hunting community for keeping the deer herds healthy. But just the opposite is happening. It is no secret that many hunters want to eliminate anything that may get in the way of them getting that “big buck.”

Deer herds nationwide have been kept artificially high to provide for more “hunter opportunity.” According the the Wisconsin Department of Transportation there were 16,947 car crashes just in Wisconsin involving deer in 2010. Out of those crashes there were 14 fatalities and 389 injuries. Do the drivers involved in these crashes get reimbursed by the state of Wisconsin who is responsible for keeping deer numbers artificially high? No, but bear hounders get reimbursed when a wolf kills one of their dogs while terrorizing wildlife. Is that right? Wisconsin has over 1.14 million deer statewide AFTER all of the recent deer hunting seasons, yet the “authors” of the wolf kill bill, SB 411, used the “decimation” of the deer herd in Wisconsin as one of their justifications for this bill.

Please share your views on this.


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9 responses to ““We Kill Them So They Don’t Die”

  1. Melissa Smith

    March 26, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    I love how all the way to kill bears and wolves are illegal to kill a deer. Hmmm. Your dogs can be shot on site by the DNR if they are caught chasing deer. This whole system is not science based what-so-ever. Hunting advocates the removal of the healthiest, strongest animals. I’ve never heard a hunter brag about his mangy. sickly doe he had mounted on his wall.

    Click to access deer4.pdf

    General Deer Hunting Regulations
    • It is illegal to hunt deer with dogs.
    • Dogs are considered private property and are protected by law. Only Conservation
    Wardens may kill dogs chasing deer. Owners may be held responsible for damage
    caused by their dogs.
    • A dog that is actively engaged in a legal hunting activity, including training, is not
    considered to be running-at-large if the dog is monitored or supervised by a person,
    and the dog is on land that is open to hunting or on land on which the person has
    obtained permission to hunt or to train a dog.

  2. Penny Wyatt

    March 26, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    I cannot believe what I have just read!!!! Even though everything said about the reasons for killing Wolves, is an absolute lie to begin with,
    the argument has been because of the LOW herd numbers of Elk and Deer, and now this complete contradiction that they have TO KILL THE WOLVES OR THEY WILL DIE……. and there are too many Elk and Deer???? I really would like to know what the “F” is going on!!!!! We all know these Wolf slaughters are based on lies, and these special interest groups are padding the pockets of those who pass these ridiculous bills, which contain riders, that are slyly hidden! Also, these hunters dogs are usually disgarded after hunting season, either set free to fend for themselves or tossed away in high kill shelters !!!! Why would they be paid if their dogs are killed while hunting, when these beautiful dogs are just thrown away like garbage anyways!!! This is all so pathetic and obvious at the same time whats going on here!!!! CORRUPTION IN ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND POLICING INSTITUTIONS!!!! FISH AND WILDLIFE!!!! They are all corrupt and this need be addressed!!!! This is just WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

    • rali74

      March 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm


      The bear hounders get approximately $2400 for each dog that is allegedly killed by a wolf. Many of the hounders run backyard puppy mills where they breed their own hounds and as you said discard them when they are no longer “useful.” I read on a hounder forum a month or so ago where one said that to would be worth the death of a few hounds to kill a wolf, and that it was “payback” time. What many people do not know is that when they purchased an Wisconsin “Endangered Resources” license plate much of the money earned from those plates go to bear hounders whose dogs were allegedly killed by wolves. It is shameful. The more I learn about the disgusting actions that are allowed and promoted in this and other states the more disgusted I get. That is why we started this group. We need to shine a light on this behavior so that people know what is really happening to our wildlife. A grassroots uprising is the only way to stop this behavior. Please share these facts with everyone that you know. When someone tells you lies or misinformation about wolves or other wildlife set them straight with facts. We have the facts on our side.

  3. leland hodges

    March 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    just plain stupid more lame reasons to kill wolves they need to just say they are scared of them because that is the truth

  4. crzywlfwmn

    March 26, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    it’s an up hill battle…this way of thinking and life style is ages old and they are all in the good ole’ boys club…., so it’s embedded in their culture and souls …It’s a right of passage for many…doesn’t mean it’s right by any means….it’s a hard rock we are have to chip through….. but we have to give a voice to those that can’t speak….For the Wild!

  5. Billy Angus

    March 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    This is 2012 A.D., not 1892!!
    We’re not gonna conform to your Old West felgercarb!!!
    LEAVE OUR WOLVES ALONE and let them
    live in peace as they’ve been doing before man even existed!!!
    If you don’t want to be around wolves,

  6. Bobette Traul

    March 27, 2012 at 12:02 am

    I thought the endangered resources plates went to the DNR. One learns something new every day. Ravi, keep on digging because I’m saving all of this.

    • rali74

      March 27, 2012 at 12:55 am


      The money collected from the Endangered Resources plates goes in to the Endangered Resources Fund which is ran by the DNR. This fund pays for livestock depredations allegedly by wolves and reimbursed bear hounders when their dogs were killed by wolves while they are running rampant through the woods. This is absolutely insane, but it has been going on for many years. Now that the wolf is no longer technically listed as endangered the bear hounders will still be reimbursed when a wolf kills one of their dogs, but the money supposedly will come from the wolf hunting fees. No other state does this, but leave it to Wisconsin to be the first. I also recently found out that they can use dogs to hunt coyotes. The more that I dig more brutality comes to light in this state and it is all legal. That is the crazy part.


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