07 Jun

**UPDATE** The hounders, hunters, and trappers are already whining that killing 1/3 of the wolf population is not enough. Please spread this survey to everyone you know. You know that the anti-wolf groups are lobbying their members hard to allow even more killing. 

Please take the time to respond to this survey from the Wisconsin DNR about their upcoming wolf killing season. You can be sure that the wolf haters will be out in full force to defend their plan to kill 1/3 of the population by using packs of dogs, night hunting, trapping, baiting, electronic calls, all for four and a half months. Their stated goal is to knock the wolf population down to a token number of 350 and this is just the beginning. I urge you to take the time and do this survey. Make YOUR voice heard. Please use the link below to access the survey.


Posted by on June 7, 2012 in Wisconsin Insanity



  1. Roger Hewitt

    June 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Sounds like Wisconsin DNR has gone barbarism crazy and offering up a host of reasons the wolf should be not in the management of that state or maybe any state, and the wolf should stay on a protected species list. The states are just too sportsmen and stock grower controlled, and mostly republican controlled, and killer wildlife agency controlled to man-manage wolves or bears or other predators. We need to keep national attention on what the states of ID, MT, WY, WI and some others are or will do with wolf populations. Senators Baucus and Tester (democrats in name but really conservatives) and Mike Simpson (representative from ID) have opened up a Pandora’s Box by de-listing the wolf politically. Wildlife agencies, traditional friends of hunters and ranchers and farmers, are bad enough managers (Kill Mentality) when a predator is listed, but the agencies themselves are a nightmare in wolf management planning or marginalizing their existence or wiping them out.

    • rali74

      June 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      The overreach by all of these states is drawing quite a bit of attention to the entire issue of the cozy relationships between hunting/agriculture groups and fish and wildlife agencies. I am optimistic that it will eventually come back to bite them because they are all running out of money for their departments and the killing licenses will not be able to fund them for much longer. Soon they will be begging for money from the non-hunting community to stay in business. When that happens you can bet that things will have to change with how these agencies operate if they want our money. I refused to by a Wisconsin state park pass this year because of what they plan to do to wolves. I will not fund the DNR until WE get a seat at the table. I am sick and tired of the DNR only listening to George Meyer and the hunting and trapping groups while refusing to listen to the rest of us.

  2. Ruth Miller

    June 7, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    I think this whole thing is REPREHENSIBLE.
    Im a tax payer and will do everythink in my power to put a stop to this insanity.

  3. Chris

    June 7, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    I attended the meeting in Spooner, I will apprise you folks of some of the most offensive provisions, however first, I would prompt you to get involved immediately! You need to be organized, and willing to get your hands dirty, wishing the proto-human bear/wolf hounders a rough afterlife, is going to end up getting at least 250 Wisconsin gray wolves dead, you need to get in their faces, and you need to donate money to any legal fund that intends to sue the state!

    The statutory provisions mandate for the following,

    1. license, wolf trapping/hunting combined
    2. Fees: Application fee $10.00, resident license $100.00/non-resident $500.00
    3. Use of fees: License & application fees fund wolf depredation payments first, then all other costs
    4. License transfer: Allowed via application through WDNR(there is a time constraint)
    5. Preference system: One half random drawing/one half by drawing based upon preference
    6. Season dates: October 15’th to the end of Febuary(5-months)
    7. Legal weapons: firearms, bow, crossbow(including the use of total darkness penetrating thermal/IR imaging optics, they may not project a beam)
    8. Shot size: larger than BB
    9. Dogs: Up to six dogs in a pack, to begin the day after the end of the fall gun deer season
    10. Night hunting: Legal option, day after the end of the fall gun deer season
    11. Use of lights: Flashlights only at point of kill(see #7 use of thermal/IR optics)
    12. Cable restraints: Allowed for trapping(there is legitimate concern for the welfare of non-targeted species such as bear)
    13. Baiting: allowed for both trapping & hunting, though WDNR indicated that it will be restricted for hunting(it must be noted that the WDNR didn’t acknowledge that the presence of dog packs is the strongest possible bait that exists)
    14. Calling: Allowed, including digital electronics
    15. Reporting & registration of harvest: Required
    16. Harvest zones, quotas and permit levels: May be determined by WDNR
    17. Zone season closures: Protocol provided for closing season based upon harvest through various media

    Objectives for 1st wolf season: Reduction of statewide wolf population(WDNR provided a map depicting the new Wisconsin, it calls for the eradication, or near eradication of all gray wolves from what are labled unsuitable zones, these cover the vast bulk of the state, including the far northwest, and almost all of the central forest zones, including the blue hills of Rusk county”where I live”and northwestern Douglas county, those two counties alone offer some of the very best wolf habitat in the upper midwest, a clear triumph for the cattlemans association).Zones have been pre-determined as follows,

    Zones 1A, 1B, 1C designated as primary habitat(with the inclusion to eradicate, or very nearly eradicate the entire population from northwestern Douglas county)
    Zones 1D, 1E designated as secondary range(allowing for a moderate amount of exterminating)
    Zone 2, central zone designated as primary range(the southern Chequemagon NF)
    Zone 3, the rest of the state, to include virtually all transitional agricultural areas(designated as unsuitable, a clear indication that the state will seek to exterminate all animals herein)

    There is more, but you get the idea, the meeting was dominated by the bear hunters, cattlemans association(all of the conservation congress members are also cattlemans association members, are you starting to see how they rammed this through?)and various other organs of the agricultural industry…..

    • rali74

      June 7, 2012 at 10:51 pm

      There is talk of a major lawsuit brewing but the parties are being quite tight lipped about it. The hounders and DNR are really overreaching with this and it will eventually come back to bite them. The hounders have been operating under the radar for many years but now they are trying to impose their agenda outside of northern Wisconsin and people are starting to take notice. I have never heard one positive word about hounders or trappers from the deer hunters that I am surrounded by. The problem is that they never speak out against their fellow “sportsmen.” However, with the bear hounders trying to become the “voice” of hunters in Wisconsin I expect to see a backlash from the rest of the hunting community who do not want to associate with them. These thugs are trying to get as much as they can, but it will eventually backfire on them because their nefarious acts are now out there for all to see. Outside of a few pockets in Northern Wisconsin who actually supports hounders? Just wait until these arrogant bastards trespass on even more private land with their dogs while going after wolves. There was a huge backlash over trespassing a decade ago and bear hounding came very close to being banned in Wisconsin. They somehow survived that and became even more brazen. I have been told that the feds are paying close attention to what Wisconsin is doing. It is just a matter of time before their overreach will come back to bite them.

  4. Animal Connection

    June 7, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Reblogged this on Animal Connection.

  5. Bobette Traul

    June 7, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    I just received a letter from Tammy Baldwin who is very concerned over the management practices and will watch this very closely. She will also scrutinize[sp?] any legislation that comes up in the Congress. I know that she considers ariel hunting not hunting. I’ve talked to her about this before. It wouldn’t be a bad idea for all of you to contact her about this. Contribute to her war chest if you can. The robber barons will be after her big time.

    • rali74

      June 8, 2012 at 5:24 am

      Unfortunately, she and the entire Wisconsin congressional delegation pushed the USFWS to remove the Great Lakes wolves from the endangered species list. What were they thinking? Did they really not see that Wisconsin would immediately start a wholesale slaughter? The states are not capable of “managing” wolves and other predators without resorting to wholesale killing overnight.

  6. Exposing the Big Game

    June 8, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    There’s never enough allowable killing for those types…

    • rali74

      June 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm

      That is why it long past time for all of us wildlife advocates to get on the same page and start fighting back. Wisconsin has flown under the radar for a long time but it has been one of the most extreme kill everything states in the country. Wolves are just the latest victim in a long line of animals that are tortured and exploited by a minority of sadists.

  7. Bobette Traul

    June 8, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Didn’t know that about Tammy. Will use that. Thanks.

    • rali74

      June 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      Don’t get me wrong she is usually on the right side for animals but I was quite dismayed when I read that she was for the delisting in Wisconsin. Of course I am sure she didn’t expect the mass slaughter that we are about to see.

  8. Chris

    June 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    From wikipedia,Teddy Roosevelt on wolf hunting with dogs,

    Accounts as to how wolves react to being attacked by dogs vary, though John James Audubon wrote that young wolves generally show submissive behaviour, while older wolves fight savagely.[13] As wolves are not as fast as smaller canids such as coyotes, they typically run to a low place and wait for the dogs to come over from the top and fight them.[7] Theodore Roosevelt stressed the danger cornered wolves can pose to a pack of dogs in his Hunting the Grisly and Other Sketches:

    A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by rabid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself; nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a bulldog which had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs, even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly unconnected with the dog’s usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less tough.

    The fighting styles of wolves and dogs differ significantly; while dogs typically limit themselves to attacking the head, neck and shoulder, wolves will make greater use of body blocks, and attack the extremities of their opponents

    I’m a hunter, many of you are likely offended by that, regardless, I am adamantly opposed to this barbarity, I was raised as a hunter, by a hunter, who in turn had been raised by hunters, who had been raised by hunters, to look upon such low men(game hounders)in exactly the same fashion that felons in state prisons regard child rapers, and pedophiles, which is to say, as slime undeserving of even the most basic of human courtesy and respect!

    You folks need to listen to me on this, “they” are going to proceed ahead with this! You will not succeed in stopping anything by just hoping for a lawsuit, or by simply venting your rage via the www. You must get up, and get in their faces, you must be highly organized, and focused. The cattlemans association owns all of Wisconsins LEA’s, and as demonstrated by the governors signing of this bill, most of the legislature! You need to drag this into the only court that matters, the court of public opinion! You need to identify just who the thrill killers are, then post their images along with their names, and addresses to the www, so that they may come to live in fear! You must stay ruthlessly focused on punishing Wisconsin business for this black outrage, you can do this by establishing which big businesses are most vulnerable to boycotts, and then targeting them until the state gets the message. You must do exactly the same with the Wisconsin tourism industry. You can do this by organizing students on college campuses coast to coast, they must commit to boycotting “absolutely” any Wisconsin beer, dairy, or beef products!

    Finally, you must understand that neither political party is your friend, it was Obama himself that has brought this about, he did so in the hope of obtaining western state votes for certain western state democratic politicians who were thought to be “soft” on killing wolves! This was what prompted Butch Otter to kill off all of Idahos gray wolves(they killed 570 of some 600). You can never trust any politician, ever!

  9. moquah

    June 15, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    A couple of topics concerning that proposed hunt that I’ve not seen mentioned – as the baiting laws currently read, baiters will be able to use substances known to be toxic to wolves – raisins and chocolate are routinely used in bear baits and these will be legal in wolf baits without a rule to prevent them. Granted, wolves have been visiting bear baits for years, but baits will now be placed specifically for wolves, with no restrictions other than they cannot contain meat or meat by-products. These leaves the option for many substances that are known toxins for canids.

    Secondly, hound hunters will be able to “train” on wolves for most of the year, limited only by the current dog training restrictions on DNR land and USFS land during fawning season. So there will be far more pursuit of wolves with dogs than just during the specified hunting season.

    • rali74

      June 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      This is legalized dog fighting and it goes far beyond the scope of the wolf kill bill. So what happens if dogs “training” to go after wolves get killed by wolves. Do the hounders get reimbursed? The DNR doesn’t even have the answers to these questions. This plan is a disaster and Wisconsin should be ashamed. I am not a fan of any hunting but those who bait, hound, use calls, and trap are the lowest of the low. The reality is that the people who wrote this bill want to see wolves eradicated again but they are just taking the long way to do it. We need to come up with some way to monitor if the hounders are indeed allowing their dogs to fight wolves. It is ILLEGAL for a dog to kill a wild animal in Wisconsin, but who enforces this? We have all seen the videos of hounders allowing their dogs to rip at wounded bears. Anyone have any ideas what we can do?

  10. m p tillges

    June 23, 2012 at 7:25 am

    I am against the law to kill and hunt wolves, these are natural predators of deer,rabbits,and other animals, its the law of nature, a few want the wolves killed. Why does man try to control the natural way of nature.,just like killing the bears when they supposedly encroached upon our domain. Where are they supposed to go and find subsistence? We keep expanding on more land for the greed of a bigger house or whatever. We will be paying for being lawed to death for the sake of a few. In the broader sense of the word,KILL KILL KILL to control what we doest suit us.And I do live in Minnesota–and killing is the way of uncivilized people

  11. Janet Fink

    July 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Respect for life begins, not ends with animals. I am disgusted by my own species that allows cruelty as dominance over animals. We remain stagnant in our justice for animals and permit the barbaric to expand their murderous waiys. We need to stop their killing before it’s too late for the majestic wolf. When will compassion prevail? I wish I had the answer.

  12. Lucy

    January 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Trapping{of any animal} is torture and unforgivable. That is NOT hunting. That is KILLING. No sport involved. Use of dogs is not hunting either, for wolf or bear.
    If there is to be hunting, let it be humane, fair, and CLOSELY controlled. The wolves are clearly, once again as always, on the hate list and thier irradication is again in progress. We have not changed much over the centuries.


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