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Wisconsin DNR Spits In The Face of The Chippewa Tribes and Wolf Advocates Again

Photo via Wikimedia Commons.

Photo via Wikimedia Commons.

The Wisconsin DNR under high school graduate, turned real estate developer, turned agency secretary , Cathy Stepp, has made it very clear in the past that she and her anti-wildlife agency care nothing for the views and heritage of the Wisconsin tribes. Federal court rulings have always affirmed that the Wisconsin tribes are to be allotted 50 percent of quotas for any species in the Ceded Territories.

Treaty rights are rights retained in treaties negotiated between sovereigns. In the case of the Ojibwe in northern Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota, their headmen retained or kept the rights to hunt, fish and gather on lands they ceded to the U.S. government. These retained rights are called usufructuary rights, which means the right to use property. An example would be if a property owner sold land but retained mineral rights, or the right to access minerals beneath the surface. Another example would be retaining frailing rights in Oklahoma, where land is sometimes sold but the right to frail pecans on the land is retained by the first owner. Treaty rights are not some unique or “special” right that courts have granted certain tribes; rather they are legal usufructuary rights retained by tribes at the time the treaties were signed. Treaty rights are also tribal, not individual rights. They are held and regulated by the treaty signatory tribes.

Last year during the planning for the inaugural Wisconsin wolf slaughter the DNR set a kill quota of 201 wolves. They tribes laid claim to all living wolves in the Ceded Territory. The DNR allotted  85 of the quota to the tribes. This meant that the great white hunter of Wisconsin were allowed to kill 116 wolves. In the end they killed 117 “legally.” This year when the DNR announced their even more reckless kill plan of 275 wolves, the tribes made the same allocation for all living wolves in the ceded areas. This time the DNR decided that because the Chippewa killed no wolves last year, because of their sacred bonds with the animals, the DNR will only allocate 24 wolves out the 275. This means that the great white hunters of Wisconsin will be allowed to “legally” kill 251 wolves out of a population estimated to be around 800. That is almost one-third of the wolves in the states at last count. In fact the DNR goes so far as to claim that this is a “cautious approach.” This year the wolf slaughter will include the use of dogs against wolves. Cautious indeed.

“We are entering the second season cautiously,” said Dave MacFarland of the DNR in a news release. “We will continue to learn valuable information for updating the state’s wolf management plan and adopting permanent wolf hunting rules.”

Only in Wisconsin would killing one-third of a population be considered “cautious.” Unbelievable. And of course the DNR continues to use their ancient “management plan” to justify their reckless slaughter plan:
“In order to meet management objectives, putting downward pressure on the population, the number of wolves removed from the landscape needs to increase this year,” said Dave MacFarland, DNR large carnivore specialist, in the statement. “The 2013 quota is designed to start doing so, in a responsible and sustainable manner.”
Yup. Killing one-third of a population is “responsible” and “sustainable.” All the while the DNR spits in the face of the Chippewa Tribes and what they hold sacred. Here is the response from a DNR representative about why they only gave a token number of the quota to the tribes:

The Chippewa Tribal declaration was similar to last year, they claimed all living wolves within the ceded territory. For other quota limited species (bear, bobcat etc.) the DNR uses a combination of the declaration and prior harvest performance to make adjustments to the state quota. Last year there was no prior data on their likely harvest therefore 50% of the quota within the ceded territory was allocated for their harvest. This year there is data on prior harvest which was incorporated into the quota adjustment. Based on their communications with the state, the fact that they did not harvest any wolves last year, and the fact that they have not promulgated rules for tribal harvest and issuance of tags the DNR does not believe it is likely they will harvest 50% of the quota in 2013. A decision was made to allocate 10% of the allowable quota within the ceded territory in the event they should choose to harvest.

So in other words this is a big F-you to the tribes and apparently Wisconsin only cares about killing and pleasing the great white hunters. One of the other arguments used by the DNR and their killing cartel puppet masters is how hunting, trapping, and hounding are “heritage” and “traditions” that us “antis” are trying to take away. Notice how they never talk about how THEY took away thousands of years of heritage and the traditions from the Native peoples of this country and forced them to adopt the “white man’s” culture. Apparently heritage and tradition only matter when it comes to the great white hunter.

Shame on you Wisconsin and shame on the DNR!

DNR sets non-tribal wolf allocation at 251; license lottery to be held Thursday


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HSUS Finally Taking Notice of Reckless Wisconsin Wolf Killing Plan URGENT ACTION NEEDED NOW

Photo via Wikimedia Commons

Photo via Wikimedia Commons

In January of 2012 the United States Fish and Wildlife Services, bowing to pressure from national killing cartels, removed the gray wolf from the Endangered Species List in the Western Great Lakes Region. The very day that wolves were officially delisted Rep. Scott Suder (R-ALEC) introduced a very onerous bill in the Wisconsin Legislature that basically declared war on the gray wolf in Wisconsin. The bill allowed wolves to be killed by everything short of artillery, and made Wisconsin the only state in a country full of wolf haters to allow dogs to be pitted against wolves. Following the introduction of this disgusting bill several wildlife advocates, along with myself, attempted contact with representatives of the Humane Society of the United States and Defenders of Wildlife to make them aware of what Wisconsin was attempting to do. Defenders completely blew us off and the HSUS, with the exception of one wonderful employee, showed no interest in helping us or getting involved in the battle to protect our wolves. A well placed source informed us that the HSUS did not want to “ruffle any feathers” in the Wisconsin Legislature because they wanted to get an exotic animal ban passed into law. So as we now know the wolf kill bill was passed and there was absolutely no effort by anyone in the legislature to put forward an “exotic animal ban.”

Since then the HSUS has made a few attempts to get people to oppose the insanity that Wisconsin proposed but it was far too little far too late. The only thing that kept me from completely losing faith in that group was the fact that they did file a lawsuit in federal court to reinstate Endangered Species Act protections for the gray wolf in the Great Lakes due to the reckless and openly hostile “management” plans of Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Today, I was surprised to receive an action e-mail from the HSUS that encouraged people to contact the Natural Resources Board and express their opposition to the reckless quota proposed by the killing cartels that could potentially kill at least 50 percent of the wolf population.

Wisconsin: Protect Our Wolves!


On June 26, the Wisconsin Natural Resources Board will approve a final recommendation for a proposed quota of 275 wolves to be hunted during this year’s trophy hunt. When combined with other forms of annual wolf mortality, this could result in 50 percent of the wolf population being killed. In Wisconsin, wolves may be shot and trapped in cruel steel-jawed leghold traps, and chased down and killed using packs of dogs.

The Board members need to hear from you that this reckless management of our wolf population is not acceptable. Please send a message to the Wisconsin Natural Resources Board urging them to protect our fragile population of wolves»

Thank you for speaking up for our state’s wildlife.

Wayne Pacelle
Wayne Pacelle, President & CEO

Please use the above link to send a message opposing this brutal and reckless plan. Even though the NRB tends to completely ignore the views of anyone other than the killing cartels and their representatives, please overwhelm them with letters via the above link or by following the below rules and directly contacting the NRB here:

Written comment guidelines

If you are commenting on a current Board agenda item, please include the following information in your comment:

  1. Agenda item number.
  2. Whether or not you support the item.

If your comments are lengthy, please begin with a one-paragraph summary.

Deadline and procedures to testify or submit written comments

The deadline to register to testify or to submit comments is 11 a.m. on the Friday prior to each meeting unless otherwise noted.

When scheduling an appearance or submitting a written comment, please provide the following information:

  1. Your name.
  2. Name of organization(s) you represent (if none, state that you are “representing self”).
  3. Topic or agenda item number and whether you support or oppose it.
  4. City of residence.
  5. Phone number.
  6. Email or mailing address, so the Board Liaison can confirm your appearance or reply to your written comment.

Email or call the Board Liaison to schedule citizen participation and public appearances before the Board. Email or mail written comments to the Board Liaison.

Laurie J. Ross, Board Liaison
Office of the Secretary
PO Box 7921
Madison WI 53707-7921

At the last NRB meeting they IGNORED the 3,000 plus letters sent to them opposing the use of dogs against wolves. We need to exceed that number than the some. We need to send a clear message to the NRB and DNR that we oppose these reckless plans and we want to see our wolves protected and not persecuted. Please share this far and wide.



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Graphic Video Shows True Nature of Hounders

**UPDATE** May 31. 2013. The video is back up thanks to some wildlife advocates in other states. Please share this far and wide.

**UPDATE** May 28, 2013. The video has been pulled from YouTube. Apparently once these cowards take some heat over their sadism they remove their videos. I was able to obtain screenshots from the video, and have them on file. I also posted two more videos showing again what kind of monsters these hounder scum really are.

**WARNING** The following video is EXTREMELY graphic and depraved. 

This video was forwarded to me today and I am sickened beyond belief. If you have the stomach for it this video illustrates what hounders are all about and what occurs throughout the year in Wisconsin and across the country. The disgusting cretins in this video not only allow their dogs to rip this coyote to shreds, but one of the sadists stabs the coyote with a knife while urging the dogs on. If this is what passes as “recreation” and “heritage” in our state and country then we need a serious reevaluation about what this nation really stands for. I warn you now that this video is horrific and if you care anything for wildlife you will find it hard to believe that we share the same planet with such disgusting “humans.”

This was apparently done in Idaho but it is no different than what Wisconsin promotes and expands each and every year. This is what already is happening to coyotes, bears, raccoons, and soon to be wolves in Wisconsin. I want anyone to claim that this is “ethical” and “moral” in any way. Remember this is what the Wisconsin DNR calls “heritage,” “tradition,” and “recreation.” All I see from this human garbage is sadism. There is no way that I share the same DNA with these cretins and I am even more ashamed that I share a country with them. Even more disturbing is the fact that these wildlife snuff films are all over YouTube and the internet. Have we really sunk this low as a species and nation? If this video is any indication we already know the answer.

Please share this so everyone knows what these hounders and their ilk are really all about.

Update May 28, 2013: The original video was removed by the coward that posted it but just a quick view to the “recommended videos” on the page point to many, many other depraved act or dog being used to kill wild animals. Here are videos of a sadist cheering on his dog to kill a coyote in water and then another video of the monster taping his dog killing a young raccoon.

Apparently these wildlife snuff films are perfectly legal and are all over YouTube. Can our species be any more depraved? Here is a comment left by the cretin that filmed the above videos on another sadistic video:

“Hell ya man I trap them and let them loose and let my dog fuck them up some people are fucking stupid and wouldn’t survive a week in the wild they would be on there knees begging us to get them some food!! Get-r-done!!!”

Real classy. How can we as a country allow sadistic human garbage like this to walk free?


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Direct Anger At DNR and Legislature, Not Judge Anderson

Wisconsin DNR: What century do we live in?

Wisconsin DNR: What century do we live in?

Since the mixed ruling of last Friday by Dane County Judge Peter Anderson on the lawsuit over the use of dogs against wolves there has been a rash of anger against the judge from wildlife advocates. While none of us are happy with the ruling it must be noted that the judge’s hands were essentially tied from the beginning due to the archaic and pandering laws that protect cruelty against wildlife in Wisconsin. When the lawsuit was first announced the leaders of groups like the deceptively named kill everything group the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation and extreme hunting group shills like Rep. Scott Suder (R-ALEC) came out and defended cruelty against wolves and other wildlife because of laws protecting the abusers.

Do not direct your anger at Judge Anderson. Direct your anger where it truly belongs, with the Legislature and DNR. The so called “leadership” in the DNR have been furiously defending the use of dogs against wolves from the beginning. This email from the Wisconsin DNR came out today:

We are pleased that Judge Anderson removed the injunction that banned the use of dogs for hunting wolves. However, we are disappointed with Judge Anderson’s decision to prohibit training of dogs to hunt wolves.

We will continue to seek input from the public and from stakeholders – including tribes – as we continue to develop permanent rules on the wolf season, and the use of dogs for both training and hunting of wolves.

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Bill Cosh, DNR, (608) 267-2773; Dana Brueck, DOJ, (608) 266-1221

What kind of state is this? An agency that is supposed to represent the “will of the people” has essentially spit in the face of wildlife advocates, the courts, and even most of the hunters that they claim to represent by pandering to the minority within the minority bear hounders. How much backlash is it going to take before political hacks like Kathy Stepp actually listen to anyone other than the Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association,  George Meyer, and their paid lobbyists like Bob Welch? The vast majority of people in Wisconsin have made it very clear that they oppose the use of dogs against wolves and a smaller majority oppose the entire wolf killing program. But none of that matter when you have an agency and legislature that only cares what Bob Welch and George Meyer want and to hell with the rest of the citizens.

Now is the time to make our voices heard more than ever. Call the DNR and your legislators and let them know that the vast majority oppose the archaic practice of hounding and that it is shameful for our state to have the dubious distinction of being the ONLY one in the country to allow packs of vicious dogs to go after wolves. This and other forms of hounding are legalized animal fighting that are not only allowed but actively promoted by the state.

Find you legislators here:

Who Are My Legislators?

Contact the DNR here:

Enough is enough. The DNR and legislature have a responsibility to ethically represent the will of the majority, not pander to a few extremist groups. We cannot let up the pressure on these two government bodies. Call and write each day if you have to to make your voice heard. Remember it is not Judge Anderson that you should be angry with. He did not create this disgusting bill.


Posted by on January 8, 2013 in Hunting, Wisconsin Insanity, Wolves


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Finally The News Media Is Reporting That Wisconsin Endorses Animal Cruelty

Coming soon to Wisconsin.

Coming soon to Wisconsin.

In today’s online edition of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel political writer James Rowen pointed out that the Wisconsin Legislature’s vote for allowing dogs in the wolf kill bill is an endorsement of animal cruelty.

Wisconsin legislators voted for animal cruelty through wolf-dog fights

I want to hear how this can be justified as anything other than legalized and state sponsored animal fighting. The same goes for the sadists who send their dogs after coyotes, bears, bobcats, turkeys, and any other animal. Good job Wisconsin you are finally showing your true colors to the rest of the country. The rest of the country no longer views Wisconsin as this quiet rural state that produces milk and cheese, or where idiots wear ridiculous looking hunks of plastic cheese on their heads in support of a football team. We now have the dubious distinction of being a right wing, wildlife hating utopia for sadists and thrill killers. I am sure this will do wonders for the tourism in this state.

Those who voted for and continue to support more and more extreme methods for killing our wildlife should be ashamed of themselves. I know that they are too arrogant to be, but they should. We have very few true Democrats left in this state. The majority of them voted for the wolf kill bill with little to no debate and rubber stamped the year round killing in state parks bill. It is time again to bombard your legislators with phone calls and emails to demand that at minimum the use of dogs be removed from this sadistic law. Here is a link to find your legislators:

Who Are My Legislators?

What the geniuses in the legislature apparently are too dense to realize is that provisions such as the legalized dog fighting may be all it takes to get the wolves relisted under the ESA. When anti-wolf rancher and Idaho legislator, Jeff Siddoway, proposed legislation early last year that allowed for live dogs to be used as bait to kill wolves even the anti-wolf federal representatives stepped in and warned that such a proposal would likely make wolves return to the ESA list. The proposal failed, but Wisconsin kept pushing and rubber stamping any method to kill wolves, even by using dogs. When will this endless pandering to the most extreme elements in our state end? More and more hunters are coming out against the hounders and their legislative enablers yet it continues to fall on deaf ears. Here is what is coming to Wisconsin this fall. This video is very disturbing but it must be seen:

Remember, Wisconsin apparently thinks this is perfectly acceptable and is considered “recreation” and “tradition.” I would assume that the above video comes from some sadists in Europe, but it could easily be northern Wisconsin. Please bombard your legislators with your opposition to this disgusting law and remind them who they are supposed to be working for, and tell your friends to do the same. Tell them that you want to see hounding put up for a statewide referendum and see how the citizens of this state really feel about it.


Posted by on January 8, 2013 in Hunting, Wisconsin Insanity, Wolves


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Misinformation and More Dishonesty From Anti-Wolf “Stakeholders” in Wisconsin

Recently the notes from the Wisconsin Wolf Stakeholders Committee Meeting that was held on April 21, 2012 in Wausau, WI were released by the Wisconsin DNR. As usual representatives from the anti-wolf groups like the deceptively named hunting group the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation and the Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association were in attendance. Here are some choice comments from their representatives:

Laurie Groskopf- Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association:

“Some of my comments may not reflect the WBHA Board of Directors positions. Most people are okay with some wolves. The number 350 came about by identifying remote areas, came out of University of Wisconsin. Nothing has changed since then. Position of the WCC voted for 350 less, WI Farm Bureau voted 350, WWF, 18 county board resolutions, all voted for 350. Something that impressed me at how angry people were. Amazing to see what people say about wolves. In terms of Treves work, 66% want 350 or less. Consider what farmers, hound hunters, people with kids, etc. go through due to wolves. (Remind me. When was the last time a wolf attacked someone in Wisconsin? Oh, that’s right. NEVER!) What happens when people have to take things into their own hands? This is because of the management we have had in place. Just want to tell it like it is. In her own area, wolves are threats to farms and human safety in 18% of the farms. Wolves can cause farmers to suffer from something akin something akin to PTSD. One lost 2 calves, carries a gun at all times and he is not even a hunter. One of these depredations was not even part of what APHIS states. What Aphis lists is only tip of the iceberg. Equally concerned for wolves safety and other wildlife.”

Yes you heard it right, farmers who raises cows to be slaughtered by having a bolt shot into their head have symptoms like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because of wolves. This Bear Hounder mouthpiece forgets to mention that they get reimbursed for each of the animals allegedly killed by wolves. PTSD? I wonder how the residents of northern Wisconsin feel when groups of armed men with vicious dogs trample through their land tormenting wildlife? I would guess that those people are the real ones who suffer from PTSD. Then comes this gem:

“The WBHS (Wisconsin Bear Hunters Association) association was not involved with drafting legislation. What organization helped draft law? Lobbyist for hound groups? Unknown.”

Thats funny because I seem to recall this quote from the hearing before the Senate Natural Resources Committee. From The Progressive:

“Bob Welch, lobbyist for the Bear Hunters and other extreme blood sport organizations said, “We believe the stars are aligned at this time and the process was done right this time to get the bill passed. We hired the best lawyer in D.C., the former head of US Fish & Wildlife, to defend delisting. We support the hunting techniques in the bill because hunting wolves is difficult. Without those tools you aren’t going to be able to harvest wolves.”

“Scott Meyer, a member of the Bear Hunters Association and lobbyist for United Sportsman, went even further. He said, “”Seven attorneys were involved with drafting this bill to make sure it didn’t put delisting in jeopardy. The bill is not liberal enough, but unfortunately, these are the cards we’ve been dealt. The idea that we’re going to extirpate the wolves is ludicrous.”

Next comes Corky Meyer of the Wisconsin Association of Sporting Dog Clubs, another hounder group. He thinks that hounders should be reimbursed up to $10,000 for hounder dogs killed by wolves:

“I would again be remiss in my duties if I did not complain about the classification of all hunting dogs as hounds. No bird dogs, other dogs, but they are killed. Bird dogs that have been killed are high value. By putting out this summary every year you shine an inaccurate light claiming all hunting dogs are hounds. I’ve been asking this for years, please stop this. I am also asking that fair market value for hounds and hunting dogs. All dogs can be paid up to $2500 regardless, not fair market value. Please stop misinforming, or change the name, call them hunting dogs.”

“Bill created by Legislature and people of Wisconsin and now time is short. If we had not had all the lawsuits interrupting delisting we would have been done with this, but now we are on the fast track. Related to comments that the 350 number should be higher, there is no consensus, a lot of us think that 350 is too many. Somebody, Randy, mentioned wolf harvest of 100 animals. Public won’t like that. Need a lot more tags than 100 to get 100 wolves. Lots of reasons to participate. Price of dogs need to change has to be increased to fair market value. Taking money from dog hunters and putting it someplace else is not right. Why should a hunting-dog owner be punished for a wolf depredation. Paying $500 for a $10,000 champion bird dog is wrong. Legislation does not allow for payment for dogs hunting wolves. Legislation has various provisions for hunting with dogs. It has provisions for hunting at night. What difference does it make if it is day or night. Wolves have been hunted with dogs for centuries. This is not a new thing. Legislators decided to put it on the books in Wisconsin. I’ve been saying for years it would happen. I was told it would never happen in Wisconsin. Harvest should be in core of wolf areas. This will create sink instead of maintaining a source.”

Apparently this guy only considers hunting groups and anti-wolf legislators to be “the people of Wisconsin.” This guy also has the nerve to say that people who let their dogs run loose in the woods to terrorize wildlife should be reimbursed when a wolf defends their territory. Wisconsin is the only state in the country with a program like this. Wisconsin is also the only state in the country that will allow wolves to be hunted by dogs.

Then comes these comments from Ralph Fritsch of the deceptively named hunting group, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation:

“Supports delisting, resolution vote in 2011 that if faced with a lawsuit that we would support Federal legislation to remove wolves from Endangered Species List. We support 350 cap, support bill ACT 169. Only two people at hearings were opposed to bill. Lots in favor. Few against. We will continue to support dog payments because that was the original plan discussed by DNR in exchange for people leaving wolves alone.”

Apparently the only “people” who count in testifying at hearings are people representing hunting groups not the many citizens who spoke out against the wolf kill bills at the hearings. Only two people at hearings opposed the bill? That’s funny because Patricia Randolph attended the Senate hearing and there were many people who spoke out against the bill. Then there is the line about supporting the continuation of hounder reimbursements “in exchange for people leaving wolves alone.” That’s right all of these “ethical sportsmen” had to be bribed so that they wouldn’t poach wolves. Whatever happened to following the law and “ethics” that these people claim are so important?

Then there is this doublespeak from Fritsch:

“Wished long time ago it could have been delisted. It would have been a better process. FWS gave state authority back, not the whole issue. Need to be Federally  (congressionally) delisted to give states time and so that everyone does not fee l they are running into a revolving door. Not all in agreement, sportsmen in state that care, and I mean sportsmen not people who just go out and shoot animals, we were biggest influence that wolf population grew because we made an agreement with the DNR that we would not harass wolves despite the fact that the population is three times over what was agreed upon. Illegal shootings not done by sportsmen, done by slob hunters. Hunters support wolves.”

Hunters support wolves? But they needed an agreement so that they wouldn’t violate the law and harass them?I guess the rest of us have to follow the rule of law but “sportsmen” have to come to “agreements” so that they will follow it. Remember that this group, the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation, is an affiliate of the National Wildlife Federation. Do you see anything on the NWF site that supports using dogs as a weapon against wildlife. I sure don’t. They even have a heading on their page that says “Wolves in Danger.” Yet this group supports the killing of 60 percent of the wolf population and the use of dogs to do it?

Here are the notes from the entire meeting. There are several voices that speak on behalf of the wolves, but the dialog appears to be dominated by the bear hounders and other anti-wolf interests. I fear for the future of wolves in Wisconsin.

April 2012 Stakeholders Meeting Minutes Amended


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