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Jamie Vee, The Ball is in Your Court

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**The posts on this blog, unless otherwise noted, do not come from Patricia Randolph, Melissa Smith, or any other wildlife advocate other than myself.**

Over the past week I have received several comments from Jamie Vee appearing to take a conciliatory tone toward this site and those of us that are vehemently against the wolf slaughter now occurring in Wisconsin. He claims to want to come to an understanding and foster civil dialog between the two camps. He also mentioned a willingness to try and reign in the hate and threats coming from a certain anti-wolf Facebook site. However, the threats and harassment continue from that site they appear to be ramping up their rhetoric against us.

Submitted on 2013/10/25 at 5:22 am

I can’t speak for everyone, but I believe that most people truly are good people. I can’t speak for, nor can I or would I associate with the people that are doing the disgusting things to which you are referencing. The videos I posted last year were done so in poor taste. I can’t take them back. No videos this year, other than the release of a young wolf.

I have been hunting and trapping all of my life. It truly is a way of life for me and my family and I don’t want anyone to take that away from us. If any of your members want to learn more of why its important to me, or to learn more about these things in general, contact me. I’m easy to find. I’ll take anyone out for a couple hours to show them why the outdoors is important to me and my family.

Most of you know me from two separate one minute videos and a few photos. There is more to me than what you see in those short clips. To be honest, they are a poor representation of how I view myself, how I want my children to view me, and how others should view me. Also, it’s not how I want people to view hunters and trappers. I think that most are good people. But the actions of a few bad apples are able doing most of the talking.

I admire your passion. I understand your concerns. I respect your heritage. I can’t undo the things that have been done. And I can not speak for everyone.

Jamie Vee

Submitted on 2013/10/25 at 7:15 am

PS,  Deleted  was one of the letter writers to my wife’s employer. I see Alice was quick to condemn it, deleted. My wife is also a board member at Chequamegon Humane Society. Yes, it’s possible to hunt and trap, and still care about finding homes and shelters for domestic animals. Anyways, numerous contacts have been made there in an attempt to have her removed from the board. It should be known that she is an amazing vet tech, and a huge asset to the CHS. The thought of her being an incompetent tech or board member because she hunts or traps is elementary. And that’s one of the areas where I believe there is some lack on understanding, and a simple, adult correspondence would go a very long way.

While nothing is going to change how I view the killing of our native predators to be barbaric practices and trapping an archaic and brutal form of torture, I respect the conciliatory tone in this message. 

When I write a blog post I want to ruffle feathers. I want to make people question their beliefs and actions. Mission accomplished on both sides with my most recent posts. But what I don’t do is make threats against their lives, their pets, or find humor in rape. The anti-wolf factions think it is perfectly acceptable to threaten death against wildlife advocates, threaten to poison pets, call wildlife advocates “timber niggers” if they have Native American ancestry, brag about “gut shooting” the animals that we fight for, place dead coyotes on wildlife advocate’s vehicles, and what may be worst of all threaten to rape female wildlife advocates. What kind of person does this? Better yet, what kind of website condones or even subtly encourages this?

When I choose to write inflammatory things about the sport/revenge killing of wolves and other wildlife I want to be edgy, I want to get our supporters fired up and fight against the propaganda and misinformation being fed to the public by anti-wolf factions. I want them to see how brutal trapping and hounding really are. When I read things about “kill ’em all or “gut shoot them and let them die elsewhere” you damn right I am going to get pissed and comment on it. When I see a photograph of a group of wolf haters posing with a dead wolf, an American flag, and wearing KKK style masks you damn right I am going to equate that image with terrorism. Does anyone in the anti-wolf factions think that is going to help their cause? When I see a photograph of someone smiling over a dead bloody wolf and read vile hate filled comments and threats of intimidation against wildlife advocates you damn right I am going to equate that behavior to terrorism.

Should the rhetoric be toned down? Probably. But it becomes very difficult when the other side continues to  harass, post death threats, and attempt to intimidate those that oppose them. I would be easy to say to avoid those hate filled pages, but death threats and harassment cannot be so easily ignored. The anti-wolf propaganda and the deliberate misinformation that flow from those pages also make them very difficult to ignore.

Mr. Vee if you are sincere and you really do want to find “middle ground” tell those that run and comment on that page to stand down with the threats and harassment. I have given them far more attention than I should or they  even warrant. There are numerous law enforcement investigations ongoing about the threats coming from some commenters at that site and their enablers. Some internet back and forth can be both frustrating and even entertaining but the line is crossed when racism, death threats, and threats of rape rear their ugly heads.

Mr. Vee I will take you at your word that you are going to try to get that site to tone down the rhetoric and threats. I will do the same on my end and not post the vile hate filled comments that come from that site. But I will not stop posting about the abuses and misinformation being spread about wolves and other wildlife no matter the source. The ball is in your court. I look forward to hearing your response.

On another note, I ask that all commenting to this site refrain from using the same kind of threatening language and swearing that we have come to expect from the anti-wolf zealots. The same goes for any threats of violence. Those will be reported to law enforcement in the same manner that the ones from the wolf haters have been. Those contacting employers of wolf killers or their spouses also need to knock it off. I can understand the outrage when viewing the smiling pictures over dead wolves, but this behavior WILL NOT be tolerated. You have been warned.

 
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Posted by on October 26, 2013 in Hounding, Hunting, Trapping, Wisconsin Insanity, Wolves

 

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Well that was Fast…..More Threats and Hate from Anti-Wolf Facebook Site

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This was posted by the anti-wolf hate site a couple of hours ago. All threats have been reported to the authorities and they have assured us there will be an investigation into those making the threats and their enablers that run the site. Those investigating believe that this site is run by the same people that made death threats against anti-mine protestors a couple of months ago. I am not sure of that. We were also informed that death threats originating from across state lines fall under Federal jurisdiction. This is the latest round of hate from that disgusting page:

Wisconsin Wolf Hunting shared a link.

Check out this blog posts from the anti-wolf thugs about one of our posts this morning. I sense alot of anger and butthurt in this blog. We happen to know they’re leaving out a few facts they do not want to discuss. You know, like trying to contacting someone’s wives employer trying to get her fired. Yeah I am sure they do not want to talk about that thuggish behavior of theirs.

Anti-wolf thugs? How did WE become “anti-wolf?” Isn’t that what that hate page is all about? They go on to criticize MY grammar apparently not realizing that it is “a lot” and not alot. Considering their fast response it appears that they are the ones “butthurt.” If they are not doing anything wrong why feel the need to respond so hatefully? I nor any of our associates contacted a wolf killer wife’s employer. I do not and will not encourage this behavior. There is no place for that. It ONLY becomes an issue when it is done while on the clock for that employer. I will shame wolf haters that post hate in a public forum and that is it. I will also bring to light death threats against wildlife advocates. Will the Wisconsin Wolf Hunting page condemn the death threats against Melissa Smith and other wildlife advocates? I doubt it. Does that mean all of the actions of the wolf hating readers on that site are Wisconsin Wolf Hunting’s responsibility?
Here we have the first death threat:

Scot Hartline: It’s a shame that there isn’t a season on people like them! Obviously their numbers are too high! Proper game management, specifically of apex predators, is crucial for the survival of all other game and domestic animals. This is not rocket science.

This has been reported to the proper authorities. Oh the irony. This is what Mr. Hartline posted on his Facebook page:

Scot Hartline shared a link.

October 17 · Edited

“Bullying is a very serious problem and therebhas got to be accountability somewhere…I’m not sure that this is the exact right way to do it but they have got to start somewhere.
I know one thing for sure, my kids will not be dealing with anything like I suffered while I was in school! I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE OF THAT!”

Death threats are a very serious problem too Scot Hartline. Oh the hypocrisy.

Several other comments follow, but my quota of sadism is filled for the day. I hate giving this disgusting page and their minions attention but they have crossed a line when threatening myself and other wildlife advocates. I will be leaving the investigation of those threats to the proper authorities and all will be exposed.

Apparently those that operate that sick site seem to think that Melissa Smith or the other women they mentioned run this site. They do not. This site is run by a 14 year veteran of Law Enforcement, an Army Veteran, and someone highly knowledgeable about the law. I do not take death threats lightly from either side and they have been and will be reported to the proper authorities. Those behind sites like that hate page think they are immune from the law because they have the anonymity of the internet. We will see how long that lasts.

If anyone else is threatened or targeted by that page do not hesitate to report it to law enforcement. It is one thing to make sarcastic and ignorant comments it is quite another to threaten the lives of those you disagree with.

Here is a reminder for those that troll this site and leave hateful comments. Your IP address will be posted for the entire world to see and any death threats will be reported to law enforcement. Please DO NOT engage with the cretins that run and post on that page. They get off on the attention. Observe, document, report, and most of all DO NOT make threats against these people or call their workplaces. This does not do us any good and gives the anti-wolf sadists “ammo” to use against our side. Any person that cannot accept this has no place working with this group or other wildlife advocates. Do not expect any defense from me if you partake in these activities.

 

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